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"Ending perceived government oppression" can be changed to "Ending perceived government oppression (for example Suffragette bombing and arson campaign^[1].

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^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffragette_bombing_and_arson_campaign

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:d591:5f10:316e:b09b:a12a:56ad (talk • contribs) 17:58, 17 July 2021 (UCT)

Revert without consensus - and discussion of modern era part in history section.

So @האופה reverted a change that was added without censuses and the user who added, the maybe controversial section, @Nohorizonss just added it back - saying that the revert itself had no consensus. I don't think any was discussed here.

@Nohorizonss Ignored @האופה's valid concerns and brought up his Hebrew username which I find irrelevant for this change.

Maybe this is a good opportunity to discuss the Modern era subsection towards improving it.

There several issues with the current state of the Modern era section as it stands after @Nohorizonss change

Modern era ends 45 years ago but terrorism still continue to impact lives around the world. So we should either extend it to today or add another section covering the last 4 decades or so.
Reading through the section gives impression that a lot of the terror activities that happened during this long stretch of time was done in the context of the anti-colonialist struggle of the Jews to end the British mandate over Mandatory Palestine. This is not historically representative as many other events are missing to give context.
I believe that the work that @Nohorizonss did is valuable, but I doubt that it belongs at this level of detail in the main page of terrorism.

I recommend the following:

short term: move this level of detail to a more dedicated page and narrow down the current discussion.

long term: extend the history discussion: broaden it in scope to include more events around the world and extend the time horizon to get closer to current day events. ThothOfTheSouth (talk) 19:08, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I had written in the other discussion that whatever part of my research was problematic or doesn't reach consensus should be removed. But there was no discussion after that and neither did @האופה participate in the then ongoing (now dead) discussion about the Irish paragraphs. Furthermore he stated that it ( the entire addition ) was in dispute and removed once but at that point only the Irish part was in dispute and was edit warred between two other editors. My opinion is that it needs to be compressed and reworded but should kept in Terrorism. I do *feel* that האופה's edit were in bad faith as it probably offended his political leanings. Nohorizonss (talk) 19:36, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with your suggestion, @ThothOfTheSouth. HaOfa (talk) 15:26, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You first claimed that "issues" which were raised by kapitankapow should be resolved first. The "issues" that @kapitankapow raised were non existent as it was not duplicated in first place which is why @Nishidani reverted that change. Nohorizonss (talk) 17:21, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:ONUS is on those wishing to include something in the article. Stop edit warring over it and discuss it or take it to an RFC. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:27, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't it self evident that the text wasn't duplicated from some other section in this same article as alleged by kapitankapow and haofa. Vanished user 3837288 (talk) 17:24, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I commented "an editor with a Hebrew username" because I couldn't spell his name and it's my fault that I was lazy enough not to copy the text of his username. I genuinely didn't think at that point that such a huge issue would be made out of an innocuous epithet and I don't think that there is anything wrong with having a unique hebrew username. I apologise for the guidelines it violated. Vanished user 3837288 (talk) 19:25, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

'Neutral military personnel'?

'The term is used in this regard primarily to refer to intentional violence during peacetime or in the context of war against non-combatants (mostly civilians and neutral military personnel).'

Is the presence of neutral military personnel and its targeting by terrorists really a common situation (which the use of the word 'mostly' would seem to indicate)? It seems to me to be a very unusual and special case and I see no reason why it needs to be given special prominence among the types of non-combatants. 62.73.72.3 (talk) 11:20, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It was added here. It is unclear why given that the lead should just be a summary of the article body, and it is not in the source cited. Sean.hoyland (talk) 14:10, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why is Israel singled out?

Why is there an entire paragraph specifically about Israeli terrorism? There isn't a paragraph specifically on American terrorism or Saudi or Iranian or any other country. Seems weird to single out Israel specifically especially in the non-state section of the article. Fyukfy5 (talk) 15:03, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As a non-extendedconfirmed user you are free to expand coverage of 'American terrorism or Saudi or Iranian or any other country' as long as you stay away from anything related to the Arab-Israeli conflict, which is covered by the WP:ARBECR rule. For things related to the Arab-Israeli conflict, you would need to submit an edit request following the WP:EDITXY guideline. Sean.hoyland (talk) 16:23, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok but those shouldn't be in that section either. The entire thing is just off, talking about Israeli terrorism before Israel was founded and all in the non state section and it being the only country to get an entire paragraph.

There are multiple problems with it:

1. If it describes Israel it shouldn't be in the non state section

2. It perhaps describes things done with the goal of establishing Israel as a state but nonetheless you can't attribute them to Israel because Israel didnt exist.

3. It singles Israel out in its own paragraph while no other countries are singles out in that way. Given current events that's likely a purposeful choice to make Israel look bad.

Simply adding more countries doesn't solve all 3 of those problems, it best it only solves the last one while making the first one worse. Fyukfy5 (talk) 14:23, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Read WP:EDITXY. Follow the guidelines and an extendedconfirmed editor can decide whether to implement your requested changes if they comply with the straightforward change X to Y requirement. You should keep your personal opinions out of it because their presence will reduce the chance of success. Sean.hoyland (talk) 16:22, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit Request

Under the non-state terrorism section Israel has a paragraph devoted to terrorism on with the goal of establishing the state of Israel. There are a few problems with this that I pointed out in a different comment, namely that all of what is described happened before Israel was a country so attributing it to Israel is wrong and that if you do decide to attribute it to Israel it certainly shouldn't be in the non-state section. Additionally it seems intentional and biased to give a paragraph solely devoted to pre-state terrorism for Israel and no other country given current events but maybe that's just me. The request itself is to either move the paragraph to an appropriate section or remove it entirely. Fyukfy5 (talk) 19:37, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffragette_bombing_and_arson_campaign

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